And if you’re a female he hated you too. All women who didn’t take notice of him in fact.
“BRIDGEVILLE, Pennsylvania – George Sodini seethed with anger and frustration toward women. He couldn’t understand why they ignored him, despite his best efforts to look nice. He hadn’t had a girlfriend since 1984, hadn’t slept with a woman in 19 years.
“Women just don’t like me. There are 30 million desirable women in the US (my estimate) and I cannot find one. Not one of them finds me attractive,” the 48-year-old computer programmer lamented in a chilling diary he posted on the Internet.”
“Every evening I am alone, and then go to bed alone,” he wrote. “I see twenty something couples everywhere. I see a twenty something guy with a nice twentyish young women. I think those years slipped right by for me. Why should I continue another 20+ years alone?”
Right, why indeed? He claimed he was ‘tan and fit’ and he ‘smelled nice’ -naturally this gave him the entitlement needed to go to a gym and start blasting away at a group of women he didn’t actually know. Then- being the brave soldier he was- he shot himself.
Oh if only he’d shot himself first before he robbed so many families and friends of their loved ones. If only he had worked out that smelling nice and being tanned does not automatically make them uppity bitches love ya.
I read shit like this and it makes me so annoyed- then depressed. Women going about their lawful business getting blown away for no other reason other than some fruitcake isn’t getting his jollies. What a hateful bastard.
I wonder how many other people have to die before people figure out that the world doesn’t owe them a fucking favour. Right now there are people lamenting George Sodini’s ‘need to act’. I’ve read a few ‘nice guys’ wittering on about how hard it is out there, and while they don’t condone all out murder-ain’t that big of ‘em- they kinda understand the frustration that drove him to load up a gym bag with guns and start blasting. There are ‘nice guys’ on forums right now, saying that they ain’t going to be ‘nice guys’ any more because it just means they’re going to get rejected as women go for the ‘bad boys’.
it’s like some hideous eighties movie.
I don’t get it. They think being an arsehole will help them succeed- that being a nice person = walkover/reject/ fool.
Maybe there are women out there who find arseholes attractive. If there are they’re nuts. Just as creepy people who think smelling nice = guaranteed sex are dubious as hell, so too are people who think acting like arsehole = SUCCESS!
It doesn’t. it just means you’re an arsehole.
Entitlement is ugly, it overpowers smells, tans, fast cars, money, big dicks and a lousy attitude. Oh you’ll find someone who falls for it at some point, but eventually you’ll end up standing in front of a mirror wondering why your tanned nice smelling body is alone. But hey, you can always blame someone else. It’s their fault, never yours. It has to be, right?
August 6, 2009 at 10:05 am |
“Society’s preoccupation with beauty and the common practice of ignoring or tossing aside those who are not pretty enough or masculine enough led to this. I wonder how many more like this George are walking around right now, in both the straight and gay worlds. Something about this guy tells me closet. I thought he was gay to tell the truth when I saw the picture. He got eyebrows like that and expected to meet women? A women knows that a straight man is barely presentable unless a wife dresses him. Unless he is gay… how can women not be confused by men who try to be metrosexual whether its an attempt at being current or a way of not admitting you are gay… “I’m not gay, I’m metrosexual. I’m straight.”"
My personal favourite of the comments I’ve read. Duh, it wur the gays, lookit his eyebrows.
August 6, 2009 at 10:12 am |
No wait, this one is.
“I have read a bit of his posting from the above, and I can see his pain. Women have been brainwashed even those posting here, that they need the guy with the looks, regardless of how the guy will treat them. Shallow women you all are. It’s not God he needed, it was the recognition he was human. It has become so easy in this world now days to think of what you can get out of another. Here is a guy that was willing and wanting for years to be giving to someone, but the shallowness of ALL the women that he met, were not willing to give him a second thought. This is what drove him to the edge, and act. For shame on those that think only preying will help, for shame on those that look for a cover of a book first and not see the true measure of a man, for shame on the media twisting the idea of what a man is, for shame on the news making this guys hurt soul to be that of a crazed lunatic. MAYBE we need something like this once in a while in this country to wake up Americans from the Celluloid, perfect looking ideal of Hollywood. MAYBE it will stop women from thinking that if they go only for the metro-sexual model looking guy, because it could make them a target for the local ignored every day average Joe. Do I condone what George did? No. Do I condemn what George did? No. Do I condemn the shallowness that has come over the American people and women, YES! It is easier for those here and everywhere to react AFTER George’s actions. Where were you all BEFORE he acted out? This guy was seen by neighbors where he was on his driveway sitting on the assault, in despair. This guy reached out in the past, and in return he was shunned, ridiculed and ignored. I see this so much in this so called self absorbed culture, in work places, bars, gyms; on line (like Match.com, Chemistry.com and the) it sickens me. Back in the 70’s/80’s you compliment a beautiful woman (in a non-sexual way), she would accept it and might talk to you and thank you. Now a day’s it’s an invitation for a sexual assault charge and anything she can throw at you. The reason is woman have become hyper sensitive (do to the sensationalization of the nightly news from needing to nationally report on every single domestic tragedy just to make ratings in point: Drew Peterson – He can’t get a trial in his own area, because the saturation from the media on the jury pool, did we all need to know about Drew across America?) and feel they need to do that, so they can go back to their friends and have a Drama story where they are superior. Oh, yes, I saw this happen to a guy I know. It was not pretty. Women have gained a power to control men by means of legal judication, and solicial-sexisium. It has become all too apparent in these recent economic times. More men, by a mind blowing amount are unemployed then women, so skewed in comparison of the national men to women ratio on population. The reason is women have gained positions of power and status in the work force. Women are more likely to laid off and fire a guy, over a woman. Reason: “If I let sally go, who will talk to me about Oprah and my dream from last night?” The result; the guy gets the axe. Therefore, a lot of guys feel the same way as George does, but not many will post it online. Hollywood has to stop selling the idea that the 1% pretty boys out there, are what every woman wants, deserves, needs. Men are the new accessory in this culture. It’s a shame that guys have overcome these kinds of mind sets long ago. Too bad women never realized that we can separate the idea of loving a woman we commit to with the occasional glance at a beautiful woman. Make your excuses, placate my rant here, do what you have to, to make yourself feel better. But remember, this is not about me; it’s not about George, of even about yourself. It’s about how women have learned from media and Hollywood starlets that is o.k. to step on other people, even good people.”
Yep, it’s the women’s fault. AND another for them pesky metrosexuals!!
August 6, 2009 at 11:05 am |
People are scary mental but men really are more scary mental than women.
August 6, 2009 at 11:14 am |
Women can be frightening and evi, of course, but they -by and large- don’t go on killing sprees taking out innocent people when they feel slighted. That seems to be a very male dominated thing. It’s like the rage is pointed firmly outwards.
August 6, 2009 at 11:44 am |
Wow, imagine some guy working in IT who is a sociopathic killer, I never would have guessed. Is it the coding that makes them crazy, or are crazy loners naturally attracted to coding? I think it’s a toss-up on that one.
It’s funny how he goes in to an LA Fitness and not a Curves to kill off women, I suppose I should be thankful that I am safe. I can easily imagine us “undesirable” women also not wanting fuck-all to do with him, either, but as a fatty I would be one of the many women who were invisible to him other than as just another object, albeit one that he simply wants out of his way. Did someone not tell him that if you are looking for a woman to use as a trophy and arm candy that you are supposed to be rich, too, as that is what they are supposedly looking for? Yes, there are plenty of women out there who will put up with all manner of assholes as long as they have money, but apparently he didn’t get that memo.
As far as the idea of him being a closet gay goes, I doubt that being a narcissist automatically makes you a gayer, if that was the case 90% of the guys checking themselves out in the mirrors at the gym should switch teams. However, a good many men I have met just draw a blank when you mention narcissism, so that’s a big clue right there, it just doesn’t register with them. And, being a narcissist has nothing to do with how good you look, I have yet to meet more than 20 guys who were able to form a realistic assessment of what their looks/personalities/personal traits are. Sure, there are plenty of women who think they are all that, but you will get more than that amount who think they are a lot worse than they really are to balance that out, and I’m not even going to get in to the Size 2 cuntflaps who blather on about how they’re “too fat.” I think about this guy, and immediately both George Costanza from “Seinfeld” and Buffalo Bill from “Silence of the Lambs” come to mind: “Would you fuck me? I’d fuck me.” Okay, well, go ahead and have a go then, because I’m not touching you with Bea Arthur’s dick.
I love that commenter: “Women have gained a power to control men by means of legal judication, and solicial-sexisium.” Huh, I thought it was because, as Sam Kinnison said, we have the pussy, but okay, fair enough, the shoe’s on the other foot now and you can no longer legally beat your wife or kill your children, so get over it and get out of the cave.
And you know what? That commenter is right, I will fire a guy over a woman any time of day because never once have I had to share an office with any women who thought it was funny to have farting contests after lunch. Then again, I’ve never had to work with any woman who natters on about Oprah, thank god, or else I may have gone on a killing spree.
And how is it that with all the self-help books and pop psychology out there, these people cannot remember some basic rules of thumb, i.e., that murderers want to actually kill themselves and suicides want to kill other people? I suppose it’s because both groups are mainly concerned with what they want, not anyone else’s needs. This asshole hedged his bets and covered it both ways.
August 6, 2009 at 12:18 pm |
I was just amused at how quickly it was pondered that a mudering arsehole was the fault of women. Dude kills his wife for cheating on him. she’s at fault. Dude kills his wife for not cheating on him- doesn’t matter, it was probably her fault. Dude kills his kids because his wife has left him= she’s at fault. Dude can’t get a date- women are at fault. Dude can’t tell women ‘hey great tits’ ( thank you Gerald Butler) without being considered a giant acting douche- women are at fault. Dudes working in advertising making dudes in adverts look silly and inept – Women are at fault. Dude kills a load of woman woking out= women in general are at fault.
Do all men think like this, of course not-that would be stupid. But a percentage will read the antics of murdering arseholes and go ‘I get it.’ And that is scary.
For the record I once got into a terrible row on a site over a woman who shot her husband in the back while he was sleeping and got away with it on the grounds that he was an abusive husband. My thinking was then-as it is now- being an abusive arsehole does NOT excuse murder. I feel the same way over jealously and heartbreak and rejection. It’s not a one way street by any means.
Old George was murdering arsehole, I can’t ever read what he did and think ‘I get it.’
August 6, 2009 at 12:31 pm |
I totally agree with you on that whole “What’s good for the goose” thing.
I got asked to leave a forum (run by supposed Pagan feminists) for arguing that if female circumcision was mutilation, so was male circumcision. Turns out they like their men cut, who knew (insert eye roll here).
I suppose that people will manage to, or at least try to, justify whatever they want to do or believe in, no matter what the situation.
August 6, 2009 at 12:31 pm |
And wait, Gerard Butler told you you had great tits? How did that not end up a blog post?
August 6, 2009 at 12:36 pm |
Not me, he was wittering on during the week about how sad it was he couldn’t comment on whether a woman had great breasts as it would be frowned upon. Fuck me, as a runner, hearing, ‘nice tits!’ yelled out the window of a passing vehicle really makes me want to hunt that person down and marry them. I mean doesn’t EVERY woman enjoy random arseholes commenting on their body. :/
Also male curcumcision is barbaric. Cutting healthy pieces off defenseless babies is abhorrent to me.
August 6, 2009 at 12:48 pm |
Well, the Spouse Sparrow’s got a man crush on Gerard Butler, so you can be sure that if the Spouse Sparrow ever meets him, he will be busily groping poor Gerard and making inappropriate sexual comments to him.
Wait, that may be a bit more than a man crush, now that I come to think of it…
Would you believe that, this being America, the Spouse Sparrow was the first intact man I had ever come across (fnarr fnarr)? And I have been around the block a couple or thirty times. Welcome to the land of barbarism. Luckily they don’t automatically snip them anymore (which was quite a relief when I squirted out the last sprog, a male), but would you also believe that the main reason they don’t is because the health insurance companies don’t want to pay for an unnecessary procedure. True story. Sad, but if that’s what it takes to keep innocent babies from being horrifically mutilated without any anesthetic, even, I suppose it will have to do. I believe the ratio for my son’s generation is about 65% uncut to 35% cut for white males. Congrats to us, we’ll be almost civilized in 50 years or so, assuming we don’t get another president who advocates African men cutting their foreskins off instead of using condoms to prevent AIDS.
I have wondered if being strapped down as a baby and having your sensitive manly bits nipped off with no pain killers may have something to do with the level of violence inherent in the system… Sure they may not remember it, any more than they can remember their mom heavily drinking whilst pregnant or being dropped on their head by their dad, but I do believe that there is some type of memory formed there, at a very formative time.
August 6, 2009 at 4:10 pm |
Fuck.
I was unplugged for a bit and missed this story.
But FMC, it’s our duty to give men their birthright and fuck them no matter how repulsive, inarticulate, hostile or introverted they are.
That’s why we exist.
Or: It was a coincidence that all the murder victims were women!
There’s no such thing as Femicide.
He was just having a bad day.
August 6, 2009 at 4:31 pm |
Jezebel has a good re-cap of recent Femicides to which I would add the German lunatic from last March.
http://jezebel.com/5331406/gym-gunman-was-not-alone-the-making-of-a-misogynist-murderer?skyline=true&s=x
August 6, 2009 at 5:43 pm |
Sparrow, I had the snip as a baby and I dont feel “horrifically mutilated” nor do I have any residual memory of something that happened when I was days old. Its never been an issue for me mentally or sexually. All the same, I dont think it should be done for religious or by policy as there is no real advantage apart from minor hygenic benefit. I dont think you should equate it with female circumsicion as that is a barbaric practice – which involves major damage for no benefit at all.
Medbh…..your not armed are you? Because Im off to the gentlemens club to smack some waitress arse and smoke some cubans, and I dont want some gun toting , empowered woman spoiling my god given right to have fun. But on the off chance your not being incredibly sarcastic, and your feeling dutiful, pm me or something sugarcakes…….!
Back to serious, its more than a little obvious that men are pre-disposed to use violence as a outlet for frustration. Thats no excuse for it. There are probably as many men haters amongst women as there are vice-versa, but women use their words, and us knuckle-draggers use our……well kalashnikovs I suppose.
August 6, 2009 at 9:38 pm |
No, I don’t think it’s an issue for many men, but is that maybe just because it happens so young that they don’t have a real memory of it? It’s been shown now in empirical scientific studies that going through traumatic events can permanently affect the way the brain is shaped, for babies all the way up to the elderly. Just like not all people develop allergies, and how some things affect some people and not others, it may be the same for this. And, even if some guy is mentally scarred from either the procedure or the after effects, AND manages to delve into his psyche and really explore the subject, do you really think they’re going to bring that up to some other guy whilst they’re standing around in the locker room after the game slapping each other’s asses? Fuck no, he’s going to brag about how he gave it to some hottie last night and she was moaning because he was so massive and yet begging for more. Such is our culture, for a good bit of men, and god help those who don’t fit in to that stereotype.
And as far as male circumcisions go, there are different types. Pinching off a bit of the foreskin and snipping the top off is not the same as being strapped down to a board and having a metal shaft forced over your penis underneath the foreskin, all the way down to the end of the base, with the intent of having all the “superfluous” skin that remains over the top of the metal shaft flayed off. Cringing yet? I’d be happy to send you pictures if you like. Different hospitals/doctors use different procedures, anywhere from that extreme example to taking a few mils off the top. I’ve seen the results of all, and when, like my ex, you can’t have a proper erection because of the radical procedure used and the scar tissue involved, and your erect penis is less than 4 inches because of it, don’t tell me that is not going to give you issues. Not that that was any excuse for him being an asshole, no, he uses his mom for that, but still.
And I won’t even get in to the other complications of circumcision like when doctors have accidentally cauterized too much tissue so now the penis isn’t even there any more. True, these are the extremes and not the norm, but I think that it can be just as horrific as what happens to girls in female circumcision, of which there are different types, also.
It amazes me that no one thinks babies can feel pain through these procedures. My son was a preemie/special needs and was in the hospital for a while, and so had to have several IV’s run, and even though he was so small they had a hell of a time holding him down and he was bruised. I asked the nurse if they could not give him Tylenol, and she told me “Babies don’t feel pain.” I felt like kicking her in the shins and then telling her that I had heard that nurses don’t feel pain.
August 7, 2009 at 5:22 pm
Ouch, I dont doubt theer are complications with circumcision., same as any surgical procedure. I got away lucky by the sounds of it. Why do they bother with it at all? Is it pushed onto parents for hygiene reasons or what? Any unnessary surgery is wrong and of course babies feel pain.
August 6, 2009 at 6:41 pm |
I don’t think you can equate it physically either- not in terms of actual physical damage. But in terms of cultural violations the idea of snipping pieces off any child is pretty repugnant-unless in absolute medical emergency. I believe Sparrow’s point was that women who disapprove of one, often don’t raise any objection to the other.
Medbh, I’ll take a look at that piece in a few minutes. I remember when you wrote about that German killer- I also remember how mad people got that you rightly identified him as a misogynist. I wonder would those same people look at old George and still discount his absolute hatred of women.
August 6, 2009 at 6:44 pm |
You know, I just can’t help wondering about the mental process that led to this crime.
August 6, 2009 at 6:45 pm |
Women can be frightening and evi, of course, but they -by and large- don’t go on killing sprees taking out innocent people when they feel slighted. That seems to be a very male dominated thing. It’s like the rage is pointed firmly outwards.
Yes, exactly.
August 6, 2009 at 9:46 pm |
Whereas women take it out on ourselves… I’m off to take some antacids for my bleeding ulcers and wash that down with some chocolate and have a good cry.
And that was NOT sarcasm, sad to say. I do envy those unthinking men (and women) sometimes, it must be so much easier to blame everything on someone else.
The Spouse Sparrow thinks the same, and wonders how much less suffering would have been involved in his life if he was one of those many unthinking men he went to school/worked with over the years, the ones that natter on about sports and who they slept with and how they’ve given half of Belfast either babies or herpes or both. Goal!
August 6, 2009 at 7:07 pm |
Twenty, I almost said that in my first comment but thought it would be feeding the monkeys.
I should look for the link from many recent posts by feminist bloggers to a study that showed that women who were NOT feminists were more likely to hate men and have negative comments about men.
It’s a real ‘no shit, Sherlock’ moment.
August 6, 2009 at 7:08 pm |
Here it is from the F Word:
http://www.thefword.org.uk/blog/2009/07/non-feminist_mo
August 6, 2009 at 7:35 pm |
Most men I know are decent fine men, and they’re feminists-even if they don’t claim the word. They’re confident in their masculinity and need not put on any act to suit ANYONE-male of female alike.
I’m a feminist and I’m pretty sure all my friends are. The problem- if you could call it that- is when people use lazy sterotyping of the word to denigrate people. You know vocal woman=strident=feminazi, or assertive=bootwearing shrill feminazi. Or god help me, when you don’t smile prettily at some jack on the street who comments on your body= cunt ( but in secret man hating feminazi and probable lezzer) Or you don’t appreciate some yahoo coming on to you in a bar= bitch and/or feminist princess. I mean it’s sad but true. People are people of course and bad behaviour is not the single default of any gender, but when a woman is acting in a confident non sexual manner the very last thing she expects is to be castigated for it and accused of being the cartoon of the thing she is by choice-like that’s a bad thing.
August 6, 2009 at 7:53 pm |
Dundoone, you couldn’t have come off like a bigger asshole if you tried.
You sound ignorant and choked with privilege.
It’s not a smart move to arrive at a feminist blog spouting such backward nonsense about your “right” to demean women while insulting me.
Get a fucking clue, dude.
Men are not biologically predisposed to violence.
The problem with fucknuts like Sodini and all the other men who commit Femicide is that they have internalized the larger cultural climate saying that women are subhumans who exist to serve men. Society tells men that they can “snap” and blame their rage on the women they victimize.
It’s not biology; it’s patriarchy.
August 6, 2009 at 8:01 pm |
It was also interesting to note Sodini spent considerable time spouting off about the ‘hot women’ rejecting him. Even in the midst of all his hate and anger he was still reeling most about the hot chicks turning down such a prize like him. Fucked up in the extreme.
Right, I’m exhausted, telly methinks- and a glass of wine. Later
August 6, 2009 at 9:30 pm |
Gee I think I’ve peaked too early. Cant get any bigger eh? I beg to differ, I can definately top that.
Medbh… sarcasm ? You use it but you dont recognise it?
I try my best not to demean anyone, and if I stray my other half who is a strong confident and wonderful woman (nobody puke, I really mean it) always puts me right. I hope I am a feminist, Im always working on the ignorance. I have strong minded male and female friends and I have never gender discriminated wrt people who I like to be around.
I love to argue and I am open to your arguement and to being educated by a good arguement. I apreciate the latter half of your post as it give me something to chew on and I admit I have never really studied patricarchy/gender balance in society.
I do react to scattergun comments though, cant resist.
I apolgise for suggesting that you might shoot anyone, it was in jest and I thought I made it so over the top that it was obvious.
August 6, 2009 at 9:47 pm |
Okay, I got that it was sarcasm/joke, but it’s kind of like those “dead baby” jokes, they’re hilarious until you’ve had kids…
August 6, 2009 at 10:09 pm |
And you know, I was thinking (don’t laugh it happens to the best of us) it seems to be perfectly acceptable for those commenter guys to commiserate with that George asshole for his supposed feelings of loneliness (i.e., his lack of getting his hole from hotties), but what would happen if we looked at it as a logical problem to be solved… Too many “lonely” men out there, and really, Nature has designed most species so that the ratio of males to females really needs to be, at most, 1:5. I dare say that for a communal species like primates, we could go to 1:20, as no matter how enlightened the culture is, it’s still the females who do most of the child-rearing and all of the child-bearing, of course (except the Spouse Sparrow, I should add, as I don’t do diapers). So, logically, if you are a male and have reached the age of (let’s go all “Logan’s Run”) 35 without successfully closing the deal at least 1 time in the past 10 years, after trying, and then spend all your time bitching and moaning about it, your genes must suck out loud and you should be culled, as you are superfluous to the needs of the group. Men, in general, consider themselves the most logical sex, so obviously they should see the reason in this and offer themselves up. Offer it up, you cunts!
The Spouse Sparrow tells me to note that he should have cultivated a British/Irish accent, if your man George had had that he would have gotten pussy thrown at him here in America.
August 6, 2009 at 10:10 pm |
They’re not hilarious.
Jokes about feminists being violent, gun-toting manhaters are pure retrograde, conservative nonsense.
It puts you in league with Rush Limbaugh and the MRA brigade.
It’s a reductive and cheap way to tell women to shut up and to close down a feminist discussion. There are only about a million dudes who pull that crap online who regularly show up at blogs run by feminists.
If you want to insult me for being a woman, at least be imaginative about it, or honest, and just call me a cunt rather than sugarcakes.
An easy way for men to begin educating themselves away from relying on male privilege is to refrain from drawing upon the Playboy fantasies and sexist stereotypes. You can resist that baggage, you’re not fated to appear as though you live in a cave.
August 7, 2009 at 5:33 pm |
Yeah they are so retrograde and conservative that I mistakenly thought I could poke fun at it. But now I’ve been well put down and explained and apoolgised for my comment. Can you let it go, or are you just going to get madder ever time you read it? If you’d like to rage at me some more, I’ll post on your own blog, and you can really let go there.
August 9, 2009 at 12:26 am |
wow, this has gotten uncomfortable.
August 29, 2009 at 12:54 am |
He probably was mysogynistic. He was most defintely socially retarded. I beleive all the talks about him having ndp. That runs in families with socialization. His siblings will produce kids just like him. His dad was a spineless coward that tolerated his mom’s npd. He himself had a kid who’s mom saw the need to shelter the child from him. The biggest issues here arent politics or gender, its selfishness.
February 4, 2010 at 9:36 pm |
Yes I am another G. I totally understand and sympathathize with George Sodini( except for him committing murder). You see George Sodini displayed traits of aspergers, autism or maybe epiliepsy. I had a life threatening seizure at age 6 and was diagnosed with frontal lobe epilepsy. My social life sucks cause I cant seem to project myself to others the way I actually feel. Also I have hlab27( gene causing terrible body inflammation) and so my physique has waned. Yet like George I was once fit and tan. I never smelled good though because I eat a high protein diet and garlic. I smell like bigfoot. So there ya go. Im honest.
February 4, 2010 at 9:41 pm |
And you don’t go around murdering people, so you’re REALLY ahead of the game.