As protests go, this one is a doozy. Naturally folk are on Joe Duffy’s radio show suggesting he burn the Koran ‘if he’s brave enough.’
People, by and large, really are idiots. I don’t believe graves are ‘sacred’ and the ‘outrage’ over his behaviour and bollocks about desecration goes over my head some, but woo aside, this is so disrespectful to the family of Haughey and they are the only ones who can get hurt by this horrible and ignorant act.
September 8, 2010 at 4:37 pm |
What has burning the Koran got to do with anything in Keany’s protest? It boggles the mind.
September 8, 2010 at 7:08 pm |
No idea, it was as weird and logic leap as I had ever heard.
September 9, 2010 at 6:54 am
It’s all the rage here in America as the warm-up to 9/11. Oh yes, it is an election year here, meh.
Maybe it’s some sort of virus that transmits stupidity. I would suggest removing the head or destroying the brain, just for good measure. Sorry we lot infected you lot. Have your people call our people, etc.
September 9, 2010 at 7:46 am
Oh aye Birdie, book burning, inflamed passions, grave dancing, fiddling while the city burns,
September 8, 2010 at 5:37 pm |
Haughey’s family know how their bread got buttered, it’s not too late for them to return some ill-gotten gains.
September 8, 2010 at 7:09 pm |
Ah look, I know, but dancing on the bloody man’s grave ain’t going to shake it loose.
September 8, 2010 at 7:33 pm
Well then he needs to shit on it
September 8, 2010 at 7:44 pm
I see, this strikes you as the decent thing to do does it?
September 8, 2010 at 8:05 pm |
If i ever see that man i’ll kick the head off him. he’s nothing but a scum bag. How anyone can disrespect the dead lik that is beyond me. Fucking scum baq.
September 8, 2010 at 8:27 pm |
The dead don’t care, they’re dead.
And while I don’t approve of what this arsehole is doing I also don’t approve of anyone kicking the head off him for doing it. Scumbaggery comes in many forms.
September 8, 2010 at 10:53 pm |
funny how some folks seem to think that other people’s sins give them a right to act out a few of their own.
what he did he did out of a lack of respect; respect for the dead, respect for the memory of the dead or respect for people who, for good or ill, loved that man… call it what you will. whether you believe in a god or not, doing something like that says far more about the man who did it than it does about haughey himself
September 9, 2010 at 6:55 am |
It says a lot about the man who did it, that it was done speaks volumes about what sort of a man Haughey was.
September 9, 2010 at 7:50 am |
I wouldn’t do it, god or no god, out of a sense of compassion for the hurt it would cause the family. But that being said, his actions, repugnant though they are, are nowhere near as repugnant to me as Haughey’s many lies and acts of cap feathering while the rest of the country attempted to ‘tighten their belts’.
Seriously, I really hate that we make saints out of people the second they pop their mortal clogs.
September 9, 2010 at 8:13 am
Quite agree. Which is why I really have no problem with what that bloke did.
September 9, 2010 at 9:24 am |
As Elvis Costello sang about Thatcher (Tramp the Dirt Down)…
“Well I hope I don’t die too soon
I pray the lord my soul to save
Oh I’ll be a good boy, I’m trying so hard to behave
Because there’s one thing I know, I’d like to live
Long enough to savour
That’s when they finally put you in the ground
I’ll stand on your grave and tramp the dirt down”
September 9, 2010 at 9:52 am |
I think of Haughey every day when I get on the bus and show my bus pass.
However, I knew a factory owner who used to send him £5,000 every Christmas – and it went into his private account, as the cleared cheques would verify (they used to return cheques after they were cleared in those days, and I saw one). How many other businessmen were giving him backhanders, and why? For favours, obviously.
September 9, 2010 at 10:01 am |
Yup Araxia, we’ve all got or heard one of those stories.
Mine is about a deal struck with Haughey in Abbevile where a company’s financial interest would have suffered if certain legislation banning tobacco advertising was put into effect before a particular date. Haughey arranged a delay and the company did a ‘quid pro quo’ and provided a free service to the next FF Ard Fheis. I have more detail but I can’t be more specific about it.
September 9, 2010 at 10:03 am |
Just because some one is dead doesn’t mean they’re not a dickhead anymore. But I don’t agree with this grave dancing, it did nothing but upset his family (the people who loved him even for all of his sins). As you said FMC the dead don’t care.
What’s all this about the burning of the Koran?
September 9, 2010 at 10:15 am |
i definitely wouldn’t think of him as a saint, i think he has the legacy he deserves… he was dishonest, duplicitous, two-faced and a crook.
it’s not that i have problem with what that man did, it’s that i have a problem with the mindset that makes him think it’s a right or apporopriate thing to do and, almost worse, that allows eejits to start giving him the equivalent of an approving slow handclap.
do i think we should have respect for graves? yeah. not on a religious basis, but purely out of respect for the family and basic human dignity. richard dawkins is as atheist/anti-woo as they come but i can’t see him approving of anyone dancing on another man’s grave. if you approve of what this moron did, then why not just approve of anyone doing anything of a similar nature because of whatever sin or perceived slight the dead man has committed? and who decides who should have their grave abused and how?
again, i can think of nothing to say in haughey’s favour. i’m not talking about deifying him cos he’s dead or respecting his memory. one way or another, he’s past caring what anybody does to his remains. haughey himself is really the minor detail in this case. the mindset that allows people to think this is amusing and somehow right is of far more concern. it’s the same incontinent rage that everyone seems to value so highly these days…
September 9, 2010 at 10:20 am |
i think the koran thing comes from the story about a minister in america that’s going to burn the koran during a mass. have mixed feelings about that one. i’d defend his right to do it and would want anyone who hurts him because of it to face the full rigours of the law. that said, doing it is pointless and fucking stupid
September 9, 2010 at 10:36 am |
It is, and bound to start some inflamed shit amonst the most radical of people. All he’s proving is how fucking stupid he is and if they retaliate, how fucking stupid they are.
How come JK Rowling or her fans never went nuts when Christians burned Harry Potter books due to ‘witchcraft’?
September 9, 2010 at 12:21 pm
cos they’re sane…
September 9, 2010 at 12:27 pm
Heh.
September 9, 2010 at 3:46 pm
Cause that meant that more books were sold.
Not that I am cynical.
September 9, 2010 at 10:37 am |
Why is the minister bothered to burn the Koran, it’s not what he believes, so why does he care. I wonder will they retaliate and burn a bible? They’re be uproar!
September 9, 2010 at 10:40 am |
Oh some shit about ‘if they attack us we attack them’ . This guy preached to about 50 people this time last week, now everyone knows about him, the publicity seeking muppet.
It is kicking off though.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/northamerica/usa/barackobama/7991123/Muslim-world-pressures-Obama-to-stop-Koran-burning.html
September 9, 2010 at 12:20 pm
question… why in blue fuck is anyone asking angelina jolie her opinion on this?
September 9, 2010 at 11:02 am |
Actually when I first heard about yer Man dancing, I remembered how a load of us all wanted to go down to Kerry to dance on Peigs grave after the Leaving Cert. Never bothered me arse though…
Am I the only one seeing a difference between dancing on someones grave and then putting it up on youtube? I have no problem with the first part and especially if the wanker is Haughey he more than deserves it. However posting the video turns it from a private act into a public one and then I think there may be a case then that it somewhat disrespectful.
September 9, 2010 at 11:07 am |
Good point, much like the pastor in the states, our dancer is clearly another attention seeking hussy.
Bloody Peig…How I hated that book.
September 9, 2010 at 12:15 pm |
good distinction… there’s a world of difference between his own private act and making it public. personally i think either way it’s not particularly admirable but at least the former is done for your own satisfaction…. the latter is only intended to inflame and hurt…